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Post by Dobs on Feb 14, 2010 14:35:31 GMT -5
 How is it that every thread about anything turns into a discussion about Angel? I haven't read almost any of this thread, don't have the time nor do I care enough to do so. I'm thinking that during my spring break you guys will be seeing an enormous thread from me. Blargh. |
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Post by Tony Redgrave on Feb 14, 2010 16:26:51 GMT -5
How is it that every thread about anything turns into a discussion about Angel? I haven't read almost any of this thread, don't have the time nor do I care enough to do so. I'm thinking that during my spring break you guys will be seeing an enormous thread from me. Blargh. That guy has nice hair. Other then that, I'll just be saying what everyone else has been saying. |
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Post by kunekune on Feb 14, 2010 16:36:07 GMT -5
How is it that every thread about anything turns into a discussion about Angel? I haven't read almost any of this thread, don't have the time nor do I care enough to do so. I'm thinking that during my spring break you guys will be seeing an enormous thread from me. Blargh.  oh noes not the Dobs thread! anything but that! |
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Post by Dobs on Feb 14, 2010 20:34:35 GMT -5
Sleep in fear of it.
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Post by surgepox on Feb 14, 2010 20:57:17 GMT -5
Okay, first off let me apologize for my erratic attendance at this site. I've lurked here on and off for longer than most people seem to give me credit for, but unfortunately I usually cannot make it here every day because I have other RL obligations. I will attempt to address everyone's concerns at me with one post, rather than quoting and replying to everything.
First of Atrum, I can fully understand the concern you might have against NUT's goals, and that is absolutely okay by me. Seriously, I support your opposition. I feel that I must clear up a few things. First off, NUT does not seek to "run" this site. Although social reform is in our goals, we wish for it to be social reform that is done voluntarily. We will not overly impose ourselves onto those who do not wish to listen. It is our goal to create sort of an "honor society" of members who hold themselves to higher standards of maturity. We would never want to "force" anyone in. The only time that we may make posts at other members would be to attempt to neutralize flaming or other negativity, or to remind people of the forum rules in case the mods can't. As the rules of the site MUST be followed, whether you want to hear it or not, we'll tell you. We're pretty much just trying to make a club for people who want to be nice, and want to see the atmosphere around here change into more positive maturity.
Ghost, I am very glad to see you laying down the law on this one, and like atrum, I too find myself in agreement with you. I think if anyone has an important opinion here, it's Ghost. He runs the site, so you don't have to listen to me, but you DO have to listen to him.
BB, I don't understand your pictures, It would be rad if you could use your words and we could talk this out. If not, then I might not be able to fully respond, since a lot of it depends on how your pictures are interpreted.
If I didn't reply to you well enough, or at all, as I am only human and I miss things, pester me about it and we can go in depth with your concerns.
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Post by The Master on Feb 14, 2010 23:56:43 GMT -5
But surge, who are you to reform anything? The point of the matter is it seems you show up when you feel like it, create conflict and then just leave, period.
Also your 'higher standards of maturity' remark I find to be highly insulting. Just because I wish to have fun and joke around here and talk about things YOU might not find appropriate in no way means I am less mature than you, personally I think it is the opposite as proven by the fact that you seem perfectly comfortable with starting conflict, pointing the finger and setting your self up on a podium of self-righteousness then promptly leaving and not only allow others to do your dirty work but also allow yourself to skip the fallout of your own actions.
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Post by justin on Feb 15, 2010 0:27:31 GMT -5
YEE-HAAAAAAAA!!! IMA JOININ! wich criminal should we blast first with our rule-breaking-targeting-person-gun first?
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Post by surgepox on Feb 15, 2010 0:45:27 GMT -5
I never really intended to share this, but part of creating NUT was as a personal challenge to myself. I wanted to see if not only could I hold myself to a higher standard of maturity, but also set the example and motivate others to do so. I admit I am not here often, but I have a lot of RL to do to. I moderate another forum, in addition to being a member of this one. I am a full time student in college, and I fence. I also have a lot of hobbies like gaming and cosplay that I like to put time into. Although I am not here often, I am hoping NUT will motivate me to make more time for this site. I may not be the ideal person to try and bring about a change, but the fact is, I am the one who stepped up to the plate and did it. If there were someone better suited than myself, they would have taken charge and done it by now.
You wound me with your words, Atrum. I am no saint, and although I used to get a nice kick out of stirring the pot around here, NUT is my reason to clean up my own act. Frankly, I think that knowing when something is and isn't appropriate to bring up is a mark of maturity. You may disagree with me on that, and that's cool, but in the same way that you are entitled to your own opinion, I am entitled to mine, and if I think that is immature, I can perpetuate that opinion as long as I am acting within the rules.
"personally I think it is the opposite as proven by the fact that you[surgepox] seem perfectly comfortable with starting conflict, pointing the finger and setting your self up on a podium of self-righteousness then promptly leaving and not only allow others to do your dirty work but also allow yourself to skip the fallout of your own actions. "
First off, this is not in any way a fact, it's conjecture. Secondly, I think you are just throwing together every facet of your personal issues with me, and hoping that in all of that your point will be proven that NUT is bad and needs to not exist. What I gather from it, is that you are implying NUT is some vehicle by which I plan to flame people, then blame others, then act like I am right, then exit, then have people preform actions I would rather not preform, and evade blame. That doesn't make any sense, like at all. The majority of those directly conflict with the values of NUT that I have made very clear in our code of conduct, and I would just be making a big hypocrite out of myself. Again, I am aware that in the past I may not have acted to this standard, but the reason for creating NUT is to give myself and others a standard to aspire to for goals that myself and others feel are good for the well being of the site, and that we wish to undertake personally, and not to force upon those who do not wish to partake. I think that you have an issue with me, not NUT, as evident by the fact that your entire arguement from the last post is aimed at me personally, and none of it is relevant to NUT as an organization.
Really, it would be best to compare NUT to the freemasons. Not the stereotypical freemasons who run the country in secret, but the real ones, who are just normal people who take it upon themselves to go above and beyond what is required for betterment of the community.
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Post by The Master on Feb 15, 2010 1:01:03 GMT -5
That is EXACTLY what I think because you have given no proof as to the contrary. As you yourself stated you got 'a kick out of stirring the pot'. Then how are we supposed to take anything you do sincerely when every piece of prior evidence you have shown tells us just that. Even the fact that you posted this and then didn't show up for days, if you really cared about this as you so claim you would have taken the time to come and see an defend your point. Instead you posted something that anyone who has been on this site more than an hour would know would create conflict and left, once again giving us proof to the fact that you're just 'stirring the pot'.
And as for your Freemasons remark, how DARE you. My grandfather was a mason and I have friends who's family are masons, and you are about as far from being one of those honorable men than any person can be.
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Post by surgepox on Feb 15, 2010 1:50:55 GMT -5
The reason for the delay was a valued friend's birthday party, checking out books from my library, exercizing, and a few errands. As I stated, I am trying to make time.
I think your issue here isn't with NUT, it's with me. Your last two posts have all been personal reservations with myself, not NUT. I suggest you PM me if there is something you would like to tell me personally, otherwise, this thread isn't the place for it. We have the right to gather as members, and to call out for social reform. You have no right telling us that we can't. If you don't like it, stay away, beat this out any longer and it's plainly just you harassing us.
Also, be careful calling me self righteous when you stepped into this movement for the purpose of telling us all that you know better and we should all listen to you.
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Post by The Master on Feb 15, 2010 2:16:52 GMT -5
The reason for the delay was a valued friend's birthday party, checking out books from my library, exercizing, and a few errands. As I stated, I am trying to make time. I think your issue here isn't with NUT, it's with me. Your last two posts have all been personal reservations with myself, not NUT. I suggest you PM me if there is something you would like to tell me personally, otherwise, this thread isn't the place for it. We have the right to gather as members, and to call out for social reform. You have no right telling us that we can't. If you don't like it, stay away, beat this out any longer and it's plainly just you harassing us. Also, be careful calling me self righteous when you stepped into this movement for the purpose of telling us all that you know better and we should all listen to you. You dont have a right to call for anything if it threatens the freedoms and rights of others, which in cas you havent been listining is my entire problem. And go ahead and say Im harrasing I really dont care, Im standing up for my point the same as you. And I never came into this telling people I knew better, I know what is better for ME. I came in here and I stated that I did not agree with this and that I would not be joining, I even mad it a point on several posts to state I would take no direct opposition unless forced to. I was then proptly told I was wrong in my views and that NUT was just trying to make it better for everyone and the way I saw everything was just wrong, that there is a difference in freedome of opinion and trolling someone. I simply stated that I wasnt going to join and why, it was your people who got aggresive first. |
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Post by surgepox on Feb 15, 2010 2:35:23 GMT -5
We've been over this, NUT doesn't threaten anything. NUT is optional, and NUT does not plan on imposing itself onto others. It's not that no one here isn't listening to the other side, but the arguement is going in circles here. Leave our club alone, we have nothing but good intentions here, and I think your issues with us are based in fear of the unknown. if NUT proves to infringe on the rights of others, the mods will remove it, simple as that. It's not like we are some military power, the mods hold all the cards, and they always will. Your fear is unjustified.
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Post by Angel on Feb 15, 2010 3:05:59 GMT -5
I think once we get through with this discussion we might wanna consider making a new group page and fill with with clear and understandable guidelines and such about N.U.T does and doesn't do, and so we can have a fresh start for our happy group. <3
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Post by Ghost on Feb 15, 2010 8:05:50 GMT -5
I think once we get through with this discussion we might wanna consider making a new group page and fill with with clear and understandable guidelines and such about N.U.T does and doesn't do, and so we can have a fresh start for our happy group. <3 THIS Surge... let me try LOL Atrum, i fully understand your concern as you can see if you read my bigass post. This group is just a group of members as of right now and if done like angel just stated Surge can re-put a clear list of ideas and goals...as well as certain things that are NOT goals such as bullying people into conforming to their ways and such. This group is under my telescopic view from my mountain stronghold. (i'm like the grinch up in this b****) So if i see things getting out of hand i'll have arceus descend and tear this to shreds. So i'd just wait for Surge to do another group thread and make everything perfectly clear. |
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Post by justin on Feb 15, 2010 10:45:43 GMT -5
*claps for all the speeches surge did*
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