My view on RP

[emilcaster]

Too vague after all that still?

Let me try to make list then.. that might help:

1. Shrink the Application to less point system. It just squeezes the fun away keeping that.

2. Mods are mods to patrol and watch high god modding/highly powerful moves.

3. Allow one "final smash" type of move.. or even allow maybe one Godly character that is restricted to RP where and what.

4. Don't make RPing stressful and a pain when having a battle with each others. Strict can be bad if you pass the line.

5. Keep rules, duh.

If you think that I just am not putting enough effort into an app, then you are wrong. Yes, it is good to have things detailed, but to a point. As I said if you cross the line and make things too detailed. People will start to get annoyed with every little detail.. making an RP boring/not fun.

So far majority says yes. *shrugs*

[Mariomasher]

"... Everything, Every last little thing, Every single tiny, microscopic little thing must go--- ACCORDING TO PLAN!"

This seems to be the motto in the RP IMO. From Apps to RPing itself. Let me see... Role playing defines as : the modifying of a person's behavior to accord with a desired personal image, as to impress others or conform to a particular environment. Basically a Make-It-Your-Own thing. Why must everything go "according to plan" if we want to make our character do as WE wish? Of course theres a MAIN PLOT, but that is being controlled by staff and very little "outsiders" seem to be in on it.

[Tony Redgrave]

Jan 3, 2010 20:33:29 GMT -5 SLE said:

Jan 3, 2010 20:27:41 GMT -5 Tony Redgrave said:

Emil's definition of the "old days" was too vague and I believe your all just hung up on the fun you had in the past. Just because its old doesn't mean its great guys and old days had its flaws as well such as being way too simple. You hang on to the past forever and the old way of doing things. You should improve what is here now and maybe bring back a few old concepts.. but stuff like combat and authority needs to say in the back of the closet

Just because it's simple doesn't mean it's bad either. It's easy to understand, and just about anyone can join in. Besides this RP goes both ways. It appeals to casuals and hardcores, it was just more lenient toward casuals or newcomers.

Besides, old system worked for 3 RPs, and a 4th one with an added stat, but still the same concept. Why can't it work for another one?

I didn't say simple was bad SLE but being too simple is bad. Your first three rps were basically fan fictions that were led by a certain person and he pretty made the story and led you through by hand. That's not RP pod'nah. The RP4 was just.. I dunno what to call it. It was ok but.. meh.


As for Emil, of course tjhe majority will say yes. Your just saying for the most part "Hey guise, remember back when everyone rped? good times huh?" You should also offer solutions since you can't do all of that in such a simple way. Those days are in the past like it or not and you have to have a compromise. I agree with MM however

But on that note, a system that appeals to both casual and hardcore people would be neat.

[emilcaster]

Well, listen. I would like to start taking action somehow and make the RP more for casual and hard core.. but would the RP staff actually do something? Or would anyone actually do something?

You could start by simplifying the template to something. But not everyone agrees. So nothing is going to happen.. this is why I am just stating my opinion to the forum so members and staff here can look back on it.. hopefully take some kind of action.

I am the only guy who stopped B****** on the cbox yesterday and actually made a topic to discuss maturely about it. Now people are starting to make more threads.. so pretty much i am doing everything I can.

[Tony Redgrave]

Settle down. I wasn't trying to bash you but I suppose it came out wrong. Other topics are out there though and I'm sure all of them are making an impact in staff but to me, it just seems like your making it sound like its so simple to do man. Your points are valid but you keep in mind that not everything is going to revert back to the old. If anything it will be more bearable.

[emilcaster]

I'm sorry.. I didn't mean to come out like that. Please forgive me.. *sigh* I wish I had just ignored this topic.

[starprincess]

If everyone has agreed to disagree, I will like to urge everyone to work together to create an RP we can all enjoy. Seriously, we need to stop this pointless fighting, its getting no where and it will only drive us further apart. Lets start actually making suggestions and ideas to get this place booming. No more clinging to the past or our stubborn ideals, lets present something that will make us all comfortable.

[Dobs]

Naw, I meant before combat and authority even. Before literally anything. Just RPing.

[Angel]

~ is posting this here since everyone missed it ~

Members of the NES site, specfically the members who are involved with wanting to change the RP.. I will make a personal appeal to you. Probably my last appeal.

More than that, it's an appeal, it's something I feel needs to be said.

What your doing will not help this RP. In fact, what your doing will proceed in putting in the final nails in this coffin of something that could have been something good.

When this RP came up, it was headed by a wonderful member named Smashbro. Despite some personal roadblocks I saw from him he obviously had something this RP does need more of, dedication. He loved RPing and wanted to continue to do it. This doesn't mean he was however, good at creating a real working RP.. but luckily he had a ton of friends who hadnt' really RP'ed before and he was able to give them something they all loved.

I can all tell you loved RP1, but if I was here I would hated it.. and any veteran RP'er coming in would laugh at it. Maybe in a nice way.. not because it's stupid it's becuase it's something very old school and something that most people have ditched. A site has to be more than just appealing to the majority of people now sometimes, sometimes a site has to be about appealing other members so we can get this site from going stale because we have no traffic.

That honesty is the reason we can't get a single of the hundreds of people without lives to join this site. We are vauge enough to join, we are active enough to join. But it's because our site doesn't look like a fun site to join. The RP was simplistic and uninteresting, simplistic RP's are a dime a dozen and most people who have been RPing and most of the people wanting to RP are looking for something more. They are looking for a fun RP to join, a fair system of entry and active, and I'm sorry but most are looking for people with intermediate writing skills.

More than the RP, the site itself still has problems.. but I can talk about those in another place. I have alot of issues with the way everyone just discarded a years worth of hard work and growth. But this is soley about the RP for now.

I started doing what I did because I have been in your shoes completely. I wanted to keep this site alive and I wanted to make something special. More than that, I know what would make me happy and what you all used to have wasn't it. What Cell and Jukan had when I joined was okay, minuses the Combat and Authority that made no sense.

What I made back then (the Energy Bank system) was honestly simplistic but I'm sorry, your all a bunch of godmodding cheaters when it comes to RPing. It WAS simplistic but you guys try to get too many fantastic and unfair things approved and RP Staff have to keep that from happening. When everyone is immortal, there is never going to be any fun or drama. Because no one can win and lose a war that no one dies in. There can't be any struggle without death. It's the honest way things work.

And to fight, you need a understandable way of fighting. You all can say that you know what your characters should be capable of, but I have seen first hand from approving your characters that you want things that are simply unfair to the people around you. You all don't know what your character should be capable of, you want godmod. You want power that no one can stand against, and when everyone wants that it's just a stupid clusterCENSORED.

And when it comes to simplified templates.. if you can't put effort into an app, if your character isn't important enough to actually sit down and put some effort into, in my opinion then you don't even really want it. Nothing worth having to you is something you'll just BS.

I feel there are many reason why going back to RP0 will lose many of our current active RPers. Look at who is even RPing right now. Almost none of you who are whining about the RP have even picked up a character and tried this system. SLE is the ONLY one I see who has any right to be speaking, and even he has been trying it for a total of 2 threads. Anyone who hasnt' even tried the system.. (not trying to make a CHARACTER, made a charactrer and actually RPed with someone) in my opinion is equal to someone who whines about a game without even doing more than seeing a screenshot. This includes people like BB, MM, and Kunekune who have RPed in the past but barely in the past months and never since the new system was brought up.

You can't actually have an opinion on something unless you have tried it first hand. You can't just look at it and instantly decide it's fail. I feel that all of your opinions are uneducated and dangerous.

In the end, I can't stop you from wanting to sieze what it was like in the past, and I'm sure the old people will be happy. But...

I still think you'll kill the RP. The Rp Staff is just as tired as you are, and we are tired of tyring to make the RP something you will like because what you all like and want is vauge and not something that we actually can understand, let alone put to practice because no one says point blank what needs to happen. Then, when we work for MONTHS on a system, you literally go and tell us it's stupid and needs to be scrapped when half of you haven't even tried it. I call fail right there, you whine about us not putting things out.. but where is our moral? Flushed down the toilet because of the LGN incident and because our hard work goes completely unnoticed by all of you and you want us to have wasted months of our lives because you didn't like how the box looked to the game you just bought. Just play the game and stop whining for once, please?

[Angel]

Oh yeah, double post. Now for new stuff.

Reasons WHY that the old way is stuupid:

A. Pointless.

When you can't kill anyone without their permission, and some people are even immortal.. then there is no point at all to even fighting. Why fight when nothing will be solved? You fight in real life or even in a video game to force some kind of change, to tip the scale. But without the ability to kill someone without their permission.. then there is nothing that will really tip the scale unless you force your loser into submission and lock him away. But then I'm sure he'll just break out.

B. Too much Power makes things too flat and One-sided.

If 60% of the character are Dragon Ball level characters, this forces all character to be the same. What if someone wanted to make a NORMAL STRENGTH, OMG, character. With average intelligence and nothing really special.. but a character with alot of heart who is trying his best to help those he cares about and fight for the right cause? Then he is either forced to become a DBZ character, or he is going to die.

C. Too much power becomes too similar.

When everyone is weak, you have to use your brain to fight. When everyone is strong, it's same OMG LAZORS, MASSIVE EXPLOSIONS, ULTIMATE POISONS and etc. Making everyone strong ruins creativity.

D. Too Much Power and Death = Too much Death

Self-explanatory. If everyone is wtf powerful, and people can die, then one attack by my OMG CREHAVOS will wipe out 5 peoples characters in once with a firey inferno that burns them right to their bones.

E: Simplicity breeds laziness.

The template process is a filter process. If your not going to work on your character, then honestly you just need to stay away. Because I personally am TIRED of people walking into an RP, posting for a week or two, getting all involved, then suddenly they dissipate and everyone that was waiting for them to post just is screwed over.

F. Yep, there is more!

The energy system is there for a reason. So the bad gaiz can't spam THEIR SUPER AWESOME DEATH RAY OVER AND OVER but they can still have it. This allows you to have something cool, but overuse isn't cool in anyway shape or form. I mean, what I could just continually shield and heal myself until the end of time? Would THAT be fun? Dx No. It would be annoying.

I have more, if people want to hear it.

[Mariomasher]

I see everything you're talking about but I am accusing you of doing what marth accused us of doing. We love the way things went back in the day, and we don't want to change it; therefore, we're one sided. I like the new way and I hate it. I've stated my hates and none of my likes. I guess a one-sided moment. But YOU have just done the same thing. You created the new way and you don't want people to not like it. More or less, you're like me, a PERFECTIONIST. I try to do everything to the best of the best and if I fail, I get aggravated. You are hung up on how your way is better than the old way. And as for simpler apps argument, I put my blood and sweat into it but I have a life outside this website. You tend not to see me for days. I have school, a gf, music, and exercise. Here:

Energy argument: People who think they can do any of this WOULD be removed from the RP via going against the godmod rule.

Simplicity argument: So people who have other things like jobs or school should just go away? Sounds an awful lot like a "Important people only" thing....

Power argument: Again with the godmod rule. The problem with the old RP is that NOBODY enforced the GM rule. Now, we have staff FOR the RP and that'll make it able to watch for this.

Pointless argument: "When you can't kill anyone without their permission, and some people are even immortal.. then there is no point at all to even fighting..." When you can't hit somebody without permission, then there's no point in fighting.

One sided argument: There actually ARE normal level people out there. You and actually most of us are MAKING DBZ lvl characters and smite those who don't. Remember your other characters, Angel? Were they "normal level welcoming"? Not at all.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, let's meet in the middle. Have some complex and some simple things. If it's all too complex then there's no newcomers heading into the RP is there?

[Angel]

I disagree. First of all, I unlike you have created both and given both plenty and plenty of time and seen the flaws in both.

1. When there is no energy system, there is no way of stating what is godmod and what isn't. Spamming attacks is all well and good when you don't have an energy system.

2. If you have other things to attend to, don't RP. Sad and honest truth, but it's the truth nonetheless. People shouldn't have to wait weeks for a reply and you should be able to dedicate 2 hours over the course of a few days to get an app up.

3. You will not have staff if this goes on I should mention, but other than that again.. without clear structure there is no way of doing anything.

4. You can hit someone without their permission. It's called attacking in a way they can't dodge. That's what battling is about, keeping someone from dodging a blow. Making a situation they that they are forced to take that hit.

5. My characters are no where near DBZ level characters, and I have had normal characters.

There is no middle though. We can make things a bit more simple, which the RP Staff is currently working on but there is no middle. But it comes down to, you want this gone. We want this here. The RP Staff again is currently reworking the RP a little after reading this thread. So I suggest you all cool down and wait for it please.

[starprincess]

Jan 4, 2010 8:23:49 GMT -5 Angel said:

There is no middle though. We can make things a bit more simple, which the RP Staff is currently working on but there is no middle. But it comes down to, you want this gone. We want this here. The RP Staff again is currently reworking the RP a little after reading this thread. So I suggest you all cool down and wait for it please.

Angel I'm not going to say this again, so listen well. Get off of your high horse before I push you off. People have complaints about the RP and you are ignoring their comments because you believe your way is right. Grow up quickly.... Remember the RP staff is not chosen by the members, they are chosen by other staff members. You do not represent them, you are a dictator moving the RP whichever way you desire. So kindly do not say that people should trust the staff when the members vioces are rarely heard.

The members need to list the things they want in the RP and the mods need to list theirs as well. Then we can review over everything, take some things out from both sides and compromise on a line that both sides are comfortable with. Members, stop being ignorant, lazy whinny children and Mods, stop being a group of communist that run every idea or decision within your own group. This non communication shit needs to stop or so help me, the site and the RP is doomed. Ghost is already talking about leaving and I also heard a few other people might follow them. Compromise or leave the site to rot.

[Rorschach]

Jan 4, 2010 16:01:09 GMT -5 @starprincess said:

Jan 4, 2010 8:23:49 GMT -5 Angel said:

There is no middle though. We can make things a bit more simple, which the RP Staff is currently working on but there is no middle. But it comes down to, you want this gone. We want this here. The RP Staff again is currently reworking the RP a little after reading this thread. So I suggest you all cool down and wait for it please.

Angel I'm not going to say this again, so listen well. Get off of your high horse before I push you off. People have complaints about the RP and you are ignoring their comments because you believe your way is right. Grow up quickly.... Remember the RP staff is not chosen by the members, they are chosen by other staff members. You do not represent them, you are a dictator moving the RP whichever way you desire. So kindly do not say that people should trust the staff when the members vioces are rarely heard.

The members need to list the things they want in the RP and the mods need to list theirs as well. Then we can review over everything, take some things out from both sides and compromise on a line that both sides are comfortable with. Members, stop being ignorant, lazy whinny children and Mods, stop being a group of communist that run every idea or decision within your own group. This non communication shit needs to stop or so help me, the site and the RP is doomed. Ghost is already talking about leaving and I also heard a few other people might follow them. Compromise or leave the site to rot.

*repeatedly snaps fingers* mmmmm y'all got TOOOLLLDDDD!!!!

[Big Boss]

couldn't we go back to the story style we had before?