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Post by Stifmeister is Diego Armando on Mar 29, 2009 1:14:46 GMT -5
"The comments such that could be defined as sexual harassment, innuendo (innuendo receives ONE warning), and other explicit sexual content is not allowed and will result in immediate banishment."
So states our, wonderful, site Constitution, our one article of rules and discipline that keep us orderly, in line, clean. But what if I was to say that I disagree with one of these.... commandments? That I was to say, something should change, that despite warnings and, the "uncomfort" of others, I felt... differently, specifically about the section I quoted in the beginning of this statement.
Specifically, I'm not sure how I feel about innuendo, but I do know that it can be funny, and that it's not allowed, but far more importantly, I know that it is a rule that is based on the sensitivity and feelings of others, and this is something I detest. This is a rule that is purely in the eye of the beholder. This can be incredibly easily manipulated, because frankly, basing anything on someone's emotions is a huge liability. If Seth is offended by the word hell, but Susie thinks all curses are beautiful, and they're both mods, they'd have a rather different style of modding? The two will absolutely bring different meanings to that rule. Seth will probably ban any sign of obscenity he sees, and Susie will probably never ban on this rule, both are terrible examples of what to do, because both are operating purely on their emotions to mod, which is not the way it should be done. I find the point of this rule is to stop anyone from being seriously traumatized, and with all do respect, I think that if you here four sex jokes you won't be scarred for life, but that's not the case, people are getting warnings simply because what they're joking or talking about "offends" or "uncomforts" someone, or, we've all heard this one "hurt their feelings", and, I'm gonna say this bluntly, I don't think we should care, it's not really our responsibility and duty to censor ourselves just so little Bobby doesn't get offended, I feel that unless it directly hurts or scares someone, or damages the site. None of which is happening with the innuendo deal. Because, all of these things can be dealt with by the members themselves, if Bobby doesn't like a topic in the C Box or is offended by it, he shouldn't stay there, he should post in a thread, nominate a POSTY, join the RP, any of the tons of things here to do, the c box isn't his only option. Also, if he really doesn't like it, it's no bloody reason to tell a mod or ban someone over, all you have to do is leave for a while, it'll probably be over in the next ten minutes. That's the beauty of the internet, unless you're being stalked, you can just change the page, go to newgrounds or wiki, unless someone seriously literally told you that they were coming to your house to rape you, you shouldn't really be offended by it.
So, in short, I don't feel that these rules should be structured around people's feelings should be here, they're too expendable, and what they're made to prevent can easily be stopped by the members themselves.
P.S: Yes, I know that this will probably be completely denied but I feel this very seriously, and I've been bottled up for a while about a number of things, this is a sort of venting thing I guess.
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Post by Angel on Mar 29, 2009 1:18:50 GMT -5
I completely disagree.
Some Moderators allow it at their own risk and discretion, but is generally NOT allowed.
Sexual Innuendo's should not be allowed on the forum.
A member who is NOT comfortable with it can walk in at anytime, and they shouldn't have to walk into terms that offend them. This should be a community that is a safe haven for people and they should not have to deal with filth. Children, 13 year olds walk in this site everyday. Not just members but guests. PG-13 should be the limit, as it the level of allowed ages on the forums. You should understand that some people won't like it, and some people's parent's wouldn't like it and be respectful of that. By allowing this, you are generally disregarding the feelings of said members.
Stifmeister: Well, I feel that the feelings of others should be of minimal importance compared to the belief of the majority.
Stifmeister: I'm concerned with neither, I just hate the idea of changing my ways to bend to someone's sensitivity.
This is wrong. Every members feeling should be considered. We don't ban people just because everyone FEELS like they should be banned. We don't let everyone call me a gender confused freak just because everyone THINKS it's appropriate. This would hurt my feeling and drive me away. Just arguing about this made a young member want to leave the forums.. this is the kind of thing it will continue to do.
All in all, I want to just state that I am a person who is offended by words like this, and we shouldn't be talking like adults when this is a child friendly zone. Proboards Terms of Service clearly states that Adult Content is not allowed, and that alone should give us reason to keep this rule up. Thank you.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 29, 2009 1:26:38 GMT -5
my argument on this topic: MAJORITY.
Even if Little Billy walks into a convo he is uncomfortable with, I understand its not right but were not gonig to stop what WE were doing FIRST so little Billy will be at peace. cuz basically this is telling me that sacrifice like 3/4 PEOPLES FUN SO ONE MAN CAN BE HAPPY!!!
2. what if everybody is comfortable with the topic. Its not spam, flame or anything wrong so I think that if everybody is fine with it then we shouldnt have to stop the convo. I find that a little unfair.
Now I know mods HAVE to do their jobs. I understand it, but if everybody is happy with the subject, we shouldnt have to sacrifice it. The cbox IS supposed to be a nice friendly place I understand. But if everybody is good with it we should be allowed to continue the conversation. Again, this is telling me that basically to make people who ARENT EVEN IN THE CBOX happy, your sacrificing 3-4 peoples fun.
I had more but I forgot.
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Post by Angel on Mar 29, 2009 1:29:18 GMT -5
So.. if 3-4 people were picking on me and telling me I'm a f*g or telling me I'm a piece of filth, or telling me I should go "****ing s**k a *co*k then that should be allowed?.. I'm sacrificing THEIR fun because the poor me would be horrible offended by this.. OFFENSIVE IS OFFENSIVE. Just like people calling The Shiek and gender confused freak OFFENDED me.. because in the end the reason your saying is no different then my situation.
Your arguements are insentive, you should try to make EVERYONE happy, not just some.
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Post by Big Boss on Mar 29, 2009 1:29:20 GMT -5
I completely disagree.
Some Moderators allow it at their own risk and discretion, but is generally NOT allowed.Sexual Innuendo's should not be allowed on the forum. A member who is NOT comfortable with it can walk in at anytime, and they shouldn't have to walk into terms that offend them. This should be a community that is a safe haven for people and they should not have to deal with filth. Children, 13 year olds walk in this site everyday. Not just members but guests. PG-13 should be the limit, as it the level of allowed ages on the forums. You should understand that some people won't like it, and some people's parent's wouldn't like it and be respectful of that. By allowing this, you are generally disregarding the feelings of said members. Stifmeister: Well, I feel that the feelings of others should be of minimal importance compared to the belief of the majority. communismStifmeister: I'm concerned with neither, I just hate the idea of changing my ways to bend to someone's sensitivity. i would, cause its not about meThis is wrong. Every members feeling should be considered. then consider stiffs feelings We don't ban people just because everyone FEELS like they should be banned. We don't let everyone call me a gender confused freak just because everyone THINKS it's appropriate. This would hurt my feeling and drive me away. Just arguing about this made a young member want to leave the forums don't use her as an example, weve talked about this on the staff lounge.. this is the kind of thing it will continue to do. All in all, I want to just state that I am a person who is offended by words like this, and we shouldn't be talking like adults when this is a child friendly zone. Proboards Terms of Service clearly states that Adult Content is not allowed, and that alone should give us reason to keep this rule up. Thank you. this is bossboards:Pyour welcome
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Post by Stifmeister is Diego Armando on Mar 29, 2009 1:32:14 GMT -5
A member who is NOT comfortable with it can walk in at anytime That may be the case, but they can just as easily realize they're uncomfortable, and walk out. And you say that this should be friendly to all ages, yet, I've yet to see a young member actually leave because someone said "in your endo". In fact, the only one you mentioned, wanted to leave not because of the innuendoes, but because of the arguing about innuendoes. And it may be "generally unallowed" but so are many things, littering is unallowed in society, but do people do it? Yes. Do they get away with it? Usually, yes. And do the authorities stop a crime scene investigation just to have them pick up that straw wrapper? Hell no. The point is, this little offensive gesture won't cause a havoc, it won't destroy the site, and there shouldn't be time wasting on something as trivial as it! And frankly, as a member, it is not my responsibility to regard the feelings of everyone else. Especially if they decide to be oversensitive about it, because that just leads me to believe that they'll be offended by anything, and therefore, I just stop caring because I know they'll cry "mod!" every chance they get. |
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Post by Sharpay on Mar 29, 2009 1:32:51 GMT -5
It should not be a majority. I don't think the parents would not like their children to view and say stuff like that.
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Post by starprincess on Mar 29, 2009 1:35:21 GMT -5
So.. if 3-4 people were picking on me and telling me I'm a f*g or telling me I'm a piece of filth, or telling me I should go "****ing s**k a *co*k then that should be allowed?.. I'm sacrificing THEIR fun because the poor me would be horrible offended by this.. OFFENSIVE IS OFFENSIVE. Your arguements are insentive, you should try to make EVERYONE happy, not just some. Agreed. You guys are being insensitive. Jokes are funny and all but there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. If someone is uncomfortable with what you are saying you need to stop even if everyone is going with it. Just because the majority is doing it doesn't make it right. |
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 29, 2009 1:35:44 GMT -5
angel you are acting as if we would be bullying and harrasing Jimmy, because I wouldnt allowed 3-4 members to bully little jimmy. Its kinda like you twisted my words there to use them against me.
I AM SAYING that if we are saying AS A JOKE: go cluck a sock and the guy I said it to is ok with it, then why is it restricted.
AND WHY WOULD JIMMY CARE ABOUT AN INSULT THAT WASNT DIRECTED TO HIM!!!! THATS LIKE 5 ON MY TOP 10 THINGS TO CHEESE ME OFF. But still, I wouldnt allow members to bully one man but if we are not bullying the man or calling him names but WE ARE JUS SAYING SEXUAL WORDS, then it should be fine.
rule: The comments such that could be defined as sexual harassment, innuendo (innuendo receives ONE warning), and other explicit sexual content is not allowed and will result in immediate banishment.
THIS IS FAIL BECUZ: IF someone takes it as sexual harrasement then its banned....so Say I say : cluck a sock....or something......if a mod PUTS WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND SAYS THAT I WAS USING SEXUAL INNUENDO then I get a warning...but basically what If I jus thought of clucking a sock like clucking a chicken....the mod therefore puts words in my mouth making everything biased and unfair.......(sounded better on the cbox but whatever i'll post it)
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Post by Cell on Mar 29, 2009 1:36:58 GMT -5
Sexual Inuendo needs to be kept at a minimum, period. Smash Bros. is a Teen game, so extremely explicit things on a forum like this is highly inappropriate: regardless if it the cbox. Furthermore, feelings, internet or not, need to be taken into consideration. If you wish to be rude or disrespectful of other people around you, you are not going to have very many friends, are you?
I understand where both Angel and Stif are coming from. I think some sexual inuendo is okay, maybe consider who's around before you start it up; some need to toughen up and deal with some of the little remarks. However, if it really insults someone and they're trying to have a conversation with another in the cbox, then maybe you should stop. They shouldn't be forced to leave just because you're too stubborn to quiet yourself and act like a mature individual other than an unclassy swine.
I'm trying to see both sides, and maybe you two should think about what the other is trying to say instead of saying "Nuuu, I'm right and eff you and such!"
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Post by Angel on Mar 29, 2009 1:39:20 GMT -5
So.. if 3-4 people were picking on me and telling me I'm a f*g or telling me I'm a piece of filth, or telling me I should go "****ing s**k a *co*k then that should be allowed?.. I'm sacrificing THEIR fun because the poor me would be horrible offended by this.. OFFENSIVE IS OFFENSIVE. Your arguements are insentive, you should try to make EVERYONE happy, not just some. Agreed. You guys are being insensitive. Jokes are funny and all but there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. If someone is uncomfortable with what you are saying you need to stop even if everyone is going with it. Just because the majority is doing it doesn't make it right. The majority of people can believe it's right to ban a member even though they did nothing wrong. The majority of people could think it's right to push someone off a building. They deserved it. The majority of people could believe that everyone of a certain religion is evil. The majority can STILL fail. By saying that you KNOW what it is related to, you know what you are generally saying, and you say it at your own risk. It was directed to me anyway, and people are friends with someone. If my friend was told that I would be offended. |
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Post by Dobs on Mar 29, 2009 1:49:46 GMT -5
offensive thread is offensive.
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Post by Cell on Mar 29, 2009 1:51:53 GMT -5
offensive thread is offensive. Basically this, yes. Ignorance is bliss. ;D |
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 29, 2009 1:54:43 GMT -5
but what if its not offensive to the people having the conversation and nobody else has a problem with it?
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Post by Angel on Mar 29, 2009 1:57:22 GMT -5
but what if its not offensive to the people having the conversation and nobody else has a problem with it? Like I said SOMEONE could walk in at any time. People shouldn't be screaming off adult talk, because someone could walk in and WTF!? And you don't know WHO is lurking, I'll tell you that. I've lurked and banned before. |
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