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Post by ready2brawl on Feb 16, 2009 21:16:22 GMT -5
Aslan's material possessions (including his life) mean nothing to him. The only thing he wants is to help others live well forever. Giving up things like his life are of little consequence to him. I really don't want to belittle him, (which is what I'm doing  ) but seeing others happy is the only thing he lives for. He has no other reason. It's not his fault. He does the right things, he has the right motives, but he lacks anything to keep him FROM doing the right things. |
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Post by bobsnicket on Feb 16, 2009 22:58:33 GMT -5
Everything you say just supports my argument that he's the best hero. |
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Post by Angel on Feb 16, 2009 23:16:27 GMT -5
Okay, this is going to sound a little biased... but the heroINE I think is most deserving of this is Colette from Tales of Symphonia.
1. He never even so much as flinches toward doing something evil.
Colette would NEVER EVER do anything evil.
2. He doesn't help for personal glory, but for the love he has for his people
She is ready to kill herself in order to save the world, and refuses to hate even people who wish her harm. You can throw her against the wall, threaten to kill her.. and she still will hope to be your friend.
3. He always wins, even when it seems like he won't
Even when she trips and falls, good happens. Remarkable miracles even.
4. He always makes the enemy look like a retard in the end, but is merciful enough to spare their lives even though they would hardly do the same
Colette, till the end.. always believes in mercy. She would give her enemies a second chance.. she always want's to believe in another way.
5. He freaking DIES just for the sake of ONE child, who happened to be a traitorous brat that didn't deserve it
Even when she was told at age 7 that she would die to save the world, she never ever let herself cry.. she accepted this, and only wanted to help the world.
6. He's always there when he is really needed, and teaches everyone invaluable lessons
She is the one who gives the rest of her team strength.. and keeps Lloyd and others from losing to themselves. Even with simple reminders that.. You are you. Nothing will change that.
7. He doesn't succeed on confidence in his powers, but in knowledge that good will triumph over evil
Colette powers are only so much, and she would never boast about her own skill. Instead, she believes that everyone is a team.. and.. as Dwarven Vow #7 states.. JUSTICE AND LOVE WILL ALWAYS WIN.
BOOYAH!
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Post by lloydexphere on Feb 16, 2009 23:18:28 GMT -5
very well said, colette  and good work with the dwarven vows...  |
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Post by Angel on Feb 16, 2009 23:22:22 GMT -5
very well said, colette and good work with the dwarven vows... Yep, the only problem is that they can't decide wether it's Goodness and Love or Justice and Love.. you'll hear them say both in the game.  |
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Post by lloydexphere on Feb 16, 2009 23:24:10 GMT -5
yea, i know  colette and Lloyd=Best Team EVA! |
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Post by ready2brawl on Feb 17, 2009 0:49:33 GMT -5
Everything you say just supports my argument that he's the best hero. I guess what I'm trying to say (and obviously failing to do so) is that Aslan is giving up very little on his part. EDIT: Assuming A is best-case scenario for the hero him/herself and B is best-case scenario for the greater good: Most great heroes would be happier to do A than B, but B is more beneficial to everyone else, so they sacrifice A to make B happen. To Aslan, A=B, and he therefore does not have to give up anything to make B happen. There, I put it in math form so even I could understand it. ~~~~~~~~~~ EDIT 2: And you're probably going to say (if you can understand what I just said) that the very fact that A=B for Aslan makes him the greatest hero of all time. And then we will have reached a stalemate, for that is an opinion that I cannot deny. For you, it seems that the most important aspect for a hero is that a hero embodies what is good. For me, a hero is someone who overcomes obstacles and adversity to benefit the greater good. And we can't argue that. EDIT 1936: And if we go by what I see as your definition of a hero, I can think of no greater hero than Aslan. EDIT 9001: I have too much time on my hands. |
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Post by Angel on Feb 17, 2009 1:16:09 GMT -5
You two put way too much thought into this. But if I have to pick a side, I'm on Deavux's.. He is making alot of sense, but I can't think of anything else to add to the discussion.
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Post by bobsnicket on Feb 17, 2009 1:55:49 GMT -5
Then by your definition, I would say OB1-Kenobi. HE has to make terrible choices, such as fighting his own apprentice and allowing Darth Vader to kill him. And he suffers most of his life because of it, satisfies most of the conditions I listed above, and in the end, even seems to forgive his own killer. Plus, even when things were dire, people were losing hope, and everything he stood for was being challenged and destroyed, he never wavered, but followed the counsel of his masters. He gives up the opportunity to save himself (A) to keep hope alive for that galaxy far far away (B).
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Post by lloydexphere on Feb 17, 2009 17:09:12 GMT -5
Yes, but Colette went through more than Obi did.
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Post by ready2brawl on Feb 17, 2009 23:04:12 GMT -5
Hehe. You've got me there. Obi-Wan is number 3 on my list, right after George Bailey from It's a Wonderful Life. (Obi-Wan probably should be number two, but I like George Bailey. It's just one of those opinions that you yourself don't understand.)
In the end, I think that true love conquers all, and a man ready to give up love itself should be called the greatest hero of all time.
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Post by Dobs on Feb 18, 2009 0:00:40 GMT -5
Okay, after not fully reading this whole thread, and just skimming, i would like to further establish that Samus > Aslan.
According to Snicket, heroes do all they can to help those around them, with no thought of personal gain. Samus has destroyed Pirate bases on Tallon IV, Aether, and on Zebes twice. Exterminate TWO seperate deadly alien species (metroid and x parasites). All of this was accomplished completely on her own, with no outside help, aside from chozo upgrades left behind for her. As for her personal gain, Samus is currently being HUNTED by the Galactic Federation because she was misunderstood in her actions blowing up SR388 and the BSL research station. (because you all know what that is. Play fusion.) Basically after saving the universe multiple times, she gets sh*t for it. Yet she still continues to fight for good.
As for devaux's point that a hero must overcome disadvantages to be great; Samus had her parents killed when she was 3. Was betrayed by the moniter of her once home planet (mother brain, zebes respectively). On top of that, the Chozo who took her in are also all dead either to Phazon poison or pirate attack. With essentially no friends or family, 6 bounty hunters out to kill her in addition to an endlessly resurrected space dragon otherwise known as Ridley, I'd say she had a pretty hard life. YET, Samus manages to save the universe no less than eight times. THAT is making something from nothing.
So... what'd that silly lion do again?
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Post by NBAplaya8484 on Feb 18, 2009 0:16:03 GMT -5
^^ lol silly lion ... But samus"s life is very similar to Batmans wouldent you say so Lol jk... but I do agree samus is the best hero  |
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Post by eiron on Feb 18, 2009 0:21:59 GMT -5
I'd agree with Samus, but I'm not so sure about this standardization of heroism. People can be heroic in different ways, and being a saint doesn't neccesarily make you a good hero.
I would also consider nominating someone from Baten Kaitos Origins, but honestly, maybe three people would know what I was talking about.
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Post by Dobs on Feb 18, 2009 0:24:13 GMT -5
you only agree because I'd yell at you if you didn't. I'd agree with Samus, but I'm not so sure about this standardization of heroism. People can be heroic in different ways, and being a saint doesn't neccesarily make you a good hero. and THIS. |
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) but seeing others happy is the only thing he lives for. He has no other reason. It's not his fault. He does the right things, he has the right motives, but he lacks anything to keep him FROM doing the right things.
