Transsexuality and YOU

[Angel]

If you didn't think that it was me who posted this, you should probably visit Mr. Doctor Devaux for your daily checkup more often, because I think you should have probably groaned at the title. o.o;

Basically, I want to explore a few levels on this issue with you all.. and see where you stand on it. Everything you say here is safe of course.. so don't be afraid to be truthful.

1. Is there anything WRONG with Transsexuality?

1b: Basically, what's I'm saying is.. you know that in certain religions, this would be frowned upon. In the olden days, the idea of a male decided he wanted to be a female was seen as wanting to be lowered in society, to be put himself down (going by our more sexist times) and some of this feeling is still out there. Certain people might think that people who are openly transsexual are in a way, confusing children and as my mother says "bringing their 'sexuality' out into the open and shoving it in people's faces.. which of course is actually in no way related to transsexuality, many people associate it with homosexuality but there is actually nothing but the fact that we both are prosecuted for just who we are that actually connects the two. People don't hire transsexuals, can't donate blood, some are pulled over for questioning for selling sex even without any proof.. [this is because many transsexuals have to stoop to doing such a thing because it's impossible to find work] and the list goes on. Do you think transsexuality is wrong in ANY way, even small? Explain.
2. Have you ever seriously wished you were of the other gender, or that you could act more feminine or more masculine without feeling like your crossing into unallowed territorty?

3. Do you believe transsexuals are born, or made?

4. Should transsexuals be allowed to adopt?

4b. One of the many things that is very hard.. is the adoption. As a young, lively one.. I have to say I've been dreaming of having a child since I was a tiny little one myself.. like any other little girl I was obessed with dolls, with babies and pregnancy, I just wanted to be a mommy. Not only was I sad to learn that I wouldn't be able to birth my own (still tear up around pregnant women) but now it's more and more obvious that transsexuals are generally not allowed to adopt, or as seen as unfit parents. Do you agree with any of these feelings? Explain, and then go re look at your answer for 1. If you said no, I would consider again.

5. Do you consider a male-to-female transsexual dating a physical male, (or a female-to-male dating a girl) as a straight couple, or a gay couple?

6. You feel head over heals in love with a girl/boy and then later found out their physical gender didn't match their inner gender, would you break up with them, or would it change your relationship at all?

7. How would you feel if your child one day felt born in the wrong body, how would you react? Would you help?

7a. Another tough one. It's a really hard one or many parents. If at a young age, a child goes to a parent telling them they feel like they were born in the wrong body, the parent is basically left with a very hard choice. If they support and help transitioning early, they will pass 300 times better. Someone who starts hormone therapy before puberty will actually mostly cancel out their natural puberty, and when they turn adults they look no different than a natural girl.. while if they wait till adulthood they could spend their lives trying and failing to pass, wishing they would have helped them when they asked for it. However, most parents might have worries that this was just a phase, or that they will change their mind. Put yourself in their shoes.

[Sharpay]

I don't have any problems with transexuals. As for the transexuals not getting hired; most companies have like a ettiquite and dress code and it might be difficult for transexuals. Even though I don't have problems with transexuals; I don't want customers or other employees seeing a man with a dress on or a woman wearing very sloppy clothing because other people are not comfortable with that. I think it is best to wear clothes of what your main gender looks like.

As for blood donating I think anyone should donate blood; we are all humans... When I was younger I did not wish to be as the opposite gender; but at the time I had no female rolemodels; so I followed my male cousins into flying, mechanical, and hunting. Then in the future I got a 2nd mother and a nanny who helped me look into feminine stuff.

I believe that transexuals are born.

For adoption for a young child; it would be a little difficult. I don't think it is proper to tell a child to help them understand transexuals; until they are pre-teen or teen; because children identify boy or a girl by their appearance. I would let transexuals adopt children and not talk about transexuals until they know about sexual body parts and how people are mentally.

I would type more, but I am not feeling so good right now. (Have a cold)

[lloydexphere]

Sept 21, 2009 2:46:49 GMT -5 Angel said:

If you didn't think that it was me who posted this, you should probably visit Mr. Doctor Devaux for your daily checkup more often, because I think you should have probably groaned at the title. o.o;

Basically, I want to explore a few levels on this issue with you all.. and see where you stand on it. Everything you say here is safe of course.. so don't be afraid to be truthful.

1. Is there anything WRONG with Transsexuality?

1b: Basically, what's I'm saying is.. you know that in certain religions, this would be frowned upon. In the olden days, the idea of a male decided he wanted to be a female was seen as wanting to be lowered in society, to be put himself down (going by our more sexist times) and some of this feeling is still out there. Certain people might think that people who are openly transsexual are in a way, confusing children and as my mother says "bringing their 'sexuality' out into the open and shoving it in people's faces.. which of course is actually in no way related to transsexuality, many people associate it with homosexuality but there is actually nothing but the fact that we both are prosecuted for just who we are that actually connects the two. People don't hire transsexuals, can't donate blood, some are pulled over for questioning for selling sex even without any proof.. [this is because many transsexuals have to stoop to doing such a thing because it's impossible to find work] and the list goes on. Do you think transsexuality is wrong in ANY way, even small? Explain.
I actually admire anyone who has the strength to change what they were born to be. People will look at a transsexual as if they are icky worms and stuff. And again I will say this, I will not promote it.. because I have my reasons, but I have friends who are transsexuals too. I'm not going to hate anyone for their choices they make.

2. Have you ever seriously wished you were of the other gender, or that you could act more feminine or more masculine without feeling like your crossing into unallowed territorty?
No, I am happy with myself. ^^ ...although some people say I act like a girl sometimes..

3. Do you believe transsexuals are born, or made?
Hmm.. well, made makes it sound like they are just objects. I lean more towards born than made.

4. Should transsexuals be allowed to adopt?

4b. One of the many things that is very hard.. is the adoption. As a young, lively one.. I have to say I've been dreaming of having a child since I was a tiny little one myself.. like any other little girl I was obessed with dolls, with babies and pregnancy, I just wanted to be a mommy. Not only was I sad to learn that I wouldn't be able to birth my own (still tear up around pregnant women) but now it's more and more obvious that transsexuals are generally not allowed to adopt, or as seen as unfit parents. Do you agree with any of these feelings? Explain, and then go re look at your answer for 1. If you said no, I would consider again.
This one is simple. Are you mean, would you not care, if you did adopt.. you better be ready to take care of the child.

5. Do you consider a male-to-female transsexual dating a physical male, (or a female-to-male dating a girl) as a straight couple, or a gay couple?
Read my thread about gays. I'll say it again though, I have friends and I dont hate.

6. You feel head over heals in love with a girl/boy and then later found out their physical gender didn't match their inner gender, would you break up with them, or would it change your relationship at all?
Heck no silly.

7. How would you feel if your child one day felt born in the wrong body, how would you react? Would you help?

7a. Another tough one. It's a really hard one or many parents. If at a young age, a child goes to a parent telling them they feel like they were born in the wrong body, the parent is basically left with a very hard choice. If they support and help transitioning early, they will pass 300 times better. Someone who starts hormone therapy before puberty will actually mostly cancel out their natural puberty, and when they turn adults they look no different than a natural girl.. while if they wait till adulthood they could spend their lives trying and failing to pass, wishing they would have helped them when they asked for it. However, most parents might have worries that this was just a phase, or that they will change their mind. Put yourself in their shoes.
I'm sorry if this makes you sad, but no. I would not allow my children to do so.. for certain reasons.

[Rorschach]

FUCK I JUST LOST MY ENTIRE POST!

1. no because its none of my business

2. never

3. Well I guess so considering if your born a guy and instantly know you want to be a girl. Its based on your mind.

4. Its none of my business but I guess so, it doesn't make a difference to me.

5. I wouldn't consider it a gay couple or a straight couple.

6. yes, instantly break up with them. I feel like a douche now but if I am in love with a girl and she tells me that she wants to be a guy then I would feel gay for continuing to date her since she wants to be a dude. Its basically a guy dating a guy after that.

7. I would have to expose him to the harsh realities he would expect and what he would have to feel like on a day-to-day basis. I want to support my son/daughter in every way possible because they are still my son/daughter.

additional comments: I don't mean to seem like an ass or anything for what I say, I am jus wondering is all so sorry if I offend anybody because I don't mean too.

This thread doesn't seem like the thing you would bring up to random people on the internet. Yes, many people will probably reply to this thread but what actual connection will they have to it? Maybe they will have a connection with it but the only real connection I have towards anything in this thread is you being a transexual and your only a person on the internet.

"Basically, I want to explore a few levels on this issue with you all.. and see where you stand on it. Everything you say here is safe of course.. so don't be afraid to be truthful."

Im a guy on the internet, how would my input be useful at all? not to mention im a fourteen year old mid-pubescent teenager. Yes, I know it was my choice to post on this thread so I'll shutup about that but my last question:

"I want to explore a few levels on this issue with you all.. and see where you stand on it."

whats so important about our opinions on transexuality? This question is just out of curiosity. I just want to know whats so important about our opinions on transexuality? Damn this thread is becoming hard to post on considering everything I say is making me feel bad so I'll stop here.

[Aphelion]

1). I don't believe there is anything wrong with it. I admire people who can actually admit it, since thats a form of true strength. They know who they are, and not being able to donate blood? I find this strange for in a way its mostly mental, the way that you believe that you are, except been made physical... I personally don't think there is much wrong with it.

2) I am pretty happy with myself, though I know I'm failing at being feminine... I'm just not a real girly girl... I mean I'd rather go tackle my cousins then go and play dolls. Maybe its a side effect of being a single child who's best friends were mainly boys and still are boys.

3) I think Transsexuals are born, but they are made to realize this by their surroundings and the social standards. The normal ish what causes them to realize whether or not they are a girl or a boy mentally.

4) Same argument as should gays adopt. I mean do people believe that Transsexual will somehow influence their kids just by their presence? I believe the answer to this is no... therefore i don't see why Transsexuals shouldn't adopt.

5) I really don't know what to consider it, on a mental level straight but not so sure about the physical level.

6) I wouldn't because its the mental connection and heart bond that matters to me really... though it might startle me a bit

7) As a parent I would want to help my child become what she/he feels is comfortable... I wouldn't want him/her to be put into a situation where they can't seem to blend in. But to tell ya the truth I would most likely dismiss it as a phase unless it continued for a great length of time.

[sidewaysj]

Do what you wanna do. If it makes you happy, then good. I'm pro choice for everything pretty much. =)
And you can't be born something. It's just how you are, so not necessarily made either. That makes it sound like it all depends on their surroundings and stuff. When it comes to sexuality, it's just how you become. For other things, such as maybe being a racist, well you're made one based on experiences, whether it be directly from the race you dislike, or people talking bad about that race.

[Angel]

Just posting to say that that reasoning behind "posting" this isn't any of your bussiness.. I thought this would be interesting disscusion, and also.. it was. I got good responses. Does it have to be more complicated then that? If you want to post... post. If you don't want to.. don't. Not holdin a knife to ya you know.

[Angel]

For adoption for a young child; it would be a little difficult. I don't think it is proper to tell a child to help them understand transexuals; until they are pre-teen or teen; because children identify boy or a girl by their appearance. I would let transexuals adopt children and not talk about transexuals until they know about sexual body parts and how people are mentally.

Double posting, but for conversations sake now..

Now here is a shaky line for me. Why should people assossiate female and male by appearence in the first place? And why is understanding the "difference" between male and female even a priority. I would, if able to have a child.. teach them that what on the outside doesn't matter to anything. If my son suddenly spots a blue dress and thinks it's looks neat, why not? If my daughter wants to join the basketball team, why not?

Why is gender a standard in our society? Why is it something that everyone has to "face". Why can't we just be who we are. I dream of a society where these' actual groundless assumptions on what each gender should have to be are gone, where people can express themselves to the fullest of their being and desire, and we reach a point where we don't limit oursleves needlessly.

[Sharpay]

People assossiate female and male in the first place for I.D. it would sound silly if I go to women and ask them, "Are you a man?" and some of those women might hit me or bash at me. I need to identify gender immediately for business, communication for example ("Sharpay bring Mr. So and So his coffee" and actually find out that "he" is a woman. It would sure help me out a lot if I knew it was a woman in the first place.)

Appearance helps people in many situations, I don't I.D people if they have difference sexual body parts or personalities because that is none of my business.

For the example of the son wanting or is interested in a blue dress; the school would not allow that because of the dress code. Yes, the son can do it at home, but not really in public because of the dress code.

[Angel]

Sept 21, 2009 19:37:28 GMT -5 Sharpay said:

People assossiate female and male in the first place for I.D. it would sound silly if I go to women and ask them, "Are you a man?" and some of those women might hit me or bash at me. I need to identify gender immediately for business, communication for example ("Sharpay bring Mr. So and So his coffee" and actually find out that "he" is a woman. It would sure help me out a lot if I knew it was a woman in the first place.)

Appearance helps people in many situations, I don't I.D people if they have difference sexual body parts or personalities because that is none of my business.

For the example of the son wanting or is interested in a blue dress; the school would not allow that because of the dress code. Yes, the son can do it at home, but not really in public because of the dress code.

Well, again.. only because we have a silly and unreasonable standard in society.. and instead of just giving up.. we should realize that this is a just a pure limiting standard we put on ourselves. If someone is that offended at being called the wrong gender, they should look and see if they aren't sexist in nature. A girl definetly has her pride, but a girl can come from within as well as without.

And I plan on homeschooling my kids, and if he wants to wear his dress to the supermarket, or anywhere without the dress code you speak of, then no.. he can wear it in public too. I want my kids to know there is nothing wrong with being exactly who you are, without limits and boundaries. That if people think there is something wrong with it, that's their own opinion. No one should have to be ashamed.

NOTE: All of this is purely and totally hypothetical, and I would in no way FORCE cross genderlines on my kids, though I hope that without gender lines at all in their life, or as little as possible.. they will fully express themselves in a way most people can't.

[drizzitswords]

1. No, I don't see anything wrong with it.
2. I'm probably not the right person to answer this as I go through phases...although I do wish to show my true self without being labeled as "unnatural".
3. Hmmm I would say both as how you grow up can greatly effect your out-look on life and such but simply being born with it is possible as well.
4. I think it's okay, as long as they can deal with the responsibility and are fit for the job(applies to everyone imo).
5. Hard to say really, guess I'm on the fence for this one lol.
6. Not entirely sure what you mean here; as in they were gender A when the relationship first started then became gender B in the middle of it? If it is then I would probably break up . I'd be fine with a friendship but past that then it'd feel a bit odd...
7. I would consider it a phase until after a certain amount of time and they still felt that way.

[¡Yiff Police!]

1- To put it simply, I don't think transsexuals/ being transsexual is wrong. Though, I won't lie, when I was younger I was completely against it. I was naive back in the days.

2- No @ the if I ever wanted to be a girl. But, I think everyone has a touch of femininity and masculinity. If you understand what I'm trying to say.

3- Born, nuff said. Who are we to say what a person can and not be.

4- Hell to the yes. There's many kids out that need love and affection from loving and nurturing souls.

5- Very hard question to answer...You know what screw it, love is love. Why do humans have the urge to label everything they see?

6- Depends, to be honest if I was dating a person for awhile (a couple months) and that said person reveals to me that they are a transsexual, initially I will be mad but than get over it and continue to have a relationship with that person. Now, if I was only dating a person for a couple of days/weeks and we weren't serious to begin with, then the answer will have to be no.

7- I would definitely with the he/she needs, especially if that is what my child feels like, I will be very accepting. There's nothing worse than having un-supportive parents.

[Rorschach]

Sept 21, 2009 19:43:54 GMT -5 Angel said:

Sept 21, 2009 19:37:28 GMT -5 Sharpay said:

People assossiate female and male in the first place for I.D. it would sound silly if I go to women and ask them, "Are you a man?" and some of those women might hit me or bash at me. I need to identify gender immediately for business, communication for example ("Sharpay bring Mr. So and So his coffee" and actually find out that "he" is a woman. It would sure help me out a lot if I knew it was a woman in the first place.)

Appearance helps people in many situations, I don't I.D people if they have difference sexual body parts or personalities because that is none of my business.

For the example of the son wanting or is interested in a blue dress; the school would not allow that because of the dress code. Yes, the son can do it at home, but not really in public because of the dress code.

Well, again.. only because we have a silly and unreasonable standard in society.. and instead of just giving up.. we should realize that this is a just a pure limiting standard we put on ourselves. If someone is that offended at being called the wrong gender, they should look and see if they aren't sexist in nature. A girl definetly has her pride, but a girl can come from within as well as without.

And I plan on homeschooling my kids, and if he wants to wear his dress to the supermarket, or anywhere without the dress code you speak of, then no.. he can wear it in public too. I want my kids to know there is nothing wrong with being exactly who you are, without limits and boundaries. That if people think there is something wrong with it, that's their own opinion. No one should have to be ashamed.

NOTE: All of this is purely and totally hypothetical, and I would in no way FORCE cross genderlines on my kids, though I hope that without gender lines at all in their life, or as little as possible.. they will fully express themselves in a way most people can't.

Society is not a friendly place. You make it seem like this will be a walk in the park.

[Angel]

I'm not saying it will be easy. I'm saying that to change the future, sometimes you have to push for something more... giving up, just letting things be bad isn't the way to go..

[Sharpay]

Our country and world have many problems to solve, but right now gender types and personality types are not on the priority list. It would be nice for other people to have knowledge about transexuals and I think that is the best option for our country.